Monday, March 12, 2007

by the way, what does 'extraordinarily typesafe' mean?

I was feeling pretty proud about Guice. It went 1.0 last week and has been making the rounds in the blogosphere the last few days; it seems to make a positive first impression on most people.

I showed my wife an announcement that I sent to some mailing list or other about the release. This was like a few days ago. And just now she says to me, "by the way, what does 'extraordinarily typesafe' mean?"

I said,

"In the software world we really like to think in terms of objects, and our favorite programming languages are built to support this object-centric view. An object might be the name 'Caryn', or it might be Kevin's Discover card or the font that I like to post my blog in.

"When things are not 'typesafe', someone can walk up to you and ask for your credit card and you can hand him a font, and he'll say, '30 seconds.' And he'll walk away, many kilograms away and only later will he gleefully try to charge your credit card and explode cosmically. You know, like what was supposed to happen in Ghostbusters when they crossed the streams.

"Java has always been typesafe at some level, because you can't just pass a font to a credit-card processor. But there was a huge, yawning chasm in the type-safety landscape that an entire Stay-Puft man could fit in comfortably: collections of things. See, you might have a roster full of names, or a wallet full of credit cards, or a drop-down box full of font choices, and as soon as you put something into any of these, it would immediately forget what the hell kind of a thing you just put in. And when you'd take something out, you'd say, 'take this thingamabob out, and by the way, that's a credit card I'm taking out.' Yeah. Only it might not actually be.

"What this is, is it's not typesafe. So anyway, what this guy Josh I work with, who I'm always telling you about, helped to mastermind was this huge change in Java a few years ago, that finally plugged this leak, so that you can now say 'this is a bag of credit cards' or 'this is a bag of employees' and you're only allowed to do things with these bags that make sense. Now Java is finally very typesafe.

"So then there's this thing called Dependency Injection that our framework supports, and other things like Spring also support it, except Spring doesn't support all the latest advancements in Java, and it wants you to configure things outside your Java code, in a bloody text file. So you can go to that text file and say 'use this font renderer to process credit card payments' and it will think that's okay, until you try to run everything and then the asploding.

"But Bob and I made this framework where you get to only write Java code, and so as soon as you try to do this bogus thing, it's just like that example of the bag of employees above. The words turn red on your screen and you know something's wrong right away.

"And that's why we say we're 'extraordinarily typesafe'."

Do you buy it?

50 comments:

Hendrik said...

Excellent writing style. Way to go! Hope this wasn't the last post.

Charles said...

awesome. guice+intellij, making java even more type safe.

Dhanji said...

this is a nice post, I was entertained reading it!

But java's type system is not great, let's not kid ourselves. It is far better than most but erasure generics makes it difficult to do really "extremely typesafe" and cool things. Also erasure means that you dont really know that you have a bag of credit cards, you just have a gatekeeper that lets you into the shopping mall if you have a bag of credit cards. If, after you get in, you slip in some strawberries, you're screwed (and have to resort to things like checkedCollections).

I would have loved it if we followed something like C++ type system where you can declare arbitrary type parameters like:

class List<CreditCard, Strawberry> { }

and I could put in only credit cards OR strawberries.

still guice is awesome, rock on kevin!

Jemaleddin said...

Hey, I feel like I almost understood that! Excellent!

Kelly said...

Re: dhanji's comment

There's a bit of an effort afoot to erase erasure in JDK 1.7:

http://gafter.blogspot.com/2006/11/reified-generics-for-java.html

https://openjdk.dev.java.net/servlets/ReadMsg?list=compiler-dev&msgNo=265

Also, excellent wife-speak explanation Kevin :)

Dave Smith said...

Given a choice between extreme type safety and dynamic type safety, and assuming good test coverage for both, I'll take dynamic type safety almost every time. The contortions people submit themselves (and other) to in the name of extreme type safety can be appalling.

malcolmsparks said...

Nice post, and congratulations on Guice. Bugs are bad, type-safety means fewer bugs.

Scott said...

Kevin, I would drop 2 or 3 large each month to read your diatribes. You could be "Kevin on Injection!" Seriously, my wife and I talk tech at the local pub, and people look at us like we should be in the circus. One night she started railing about injection schemes and the bartender asked us to clean up the language!

Anyways, love your stuff and once I'm finished writing this damn Struts2 book, I plan to roll up into your Guice grove to have a look around.

Scott

javadba said...

Hi Kevin,
I like and have in the past used a number of google technologies - including guice 2.0, google collections, closure, and jstemplate.

However, when going to Google Code page and "browsing", none of these show up AFAIK.

Why is that? Are they not being actively promoted? Is there some backdoor to be able to see "all" of google code technologies even if they're not listed explicitly there?

I mean google's stuff is typically far more mature than many other open source things, so I'd like to get more of them!

thanks,

stephen b

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